tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post1376760205530455113..comments2024-02-28T23:27:13.346-08:00Comments on BAD RAP Blog: lessons from a dog biteTimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17654993049959218916noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-78085393340504155462014-08-08T19:54:38.796-07:002014-08-08T19:54:38.796-07:00Many people ignore the warning signs that dogs giv...Many people ignore the warning signs that dogs give, then later fail to remember that there were warning signs. Lisa researching dog biteshttp://www.bgmillerlaw.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-79382636088529076442013-12-13T12:49:33.155-08:002013-12-13T12:49:33.155-08:00Wow. There was a lot of great information in this ...Wow. There was a lot of great information in this post. Some dogs really do get a bad rap, every pit or rot I've ever met was just the sweetest dog. In fact, when I got bitten, it was by a golden retriever, which I always thought was considered a gentler breed. Thankfully, Darryl Isaacs (http://www.isaacsandisaacs.com/) helped me with my recovery. But that's beside the point, thank you for the post, it was most enjoyable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-79304960149766287862013-08-03T02:47:42.947-07:002013-08-03T02:47:42.947-07:00You asked about sources on the comments about bite...You asked about sources on the comments about bite force. The Pitbull Placebo by Karen Delise does discuss this myth on pages 110-113 under the heading the Pitbull Bite Force Calculated in PSI Myth. <br /><br />A summary being GSD, APBT, and Rottweilers were tested with a bite sleeve that was hooked to a computer and the APBT had the least bite force of the 3 (by National Geographic). However, bite force data is very difficult to accurately measure because of the individual dogs motivation to bite the test object, how hard the individual dog bit, and if they were even using full force or bite inhibition at the time.<br /><br />To the best of their knowledge their is no scientific data to allow meaningful data comparisons among different breeds, there are many compelling reasons why such data can't be collected in a meaningful way, and all figures "proving" Pitbulls bite with more force can basically be traced back to unfounded rumors or newspaper articles with no actual factual data.<br /><br />It's a very good read and it's free: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/publications/230603563_Pit%20Bull%20Placebo.pdf<br /><br />Great blog post! My heart goes out to the family that lost a child to this tragedy, and to the dog for being set up to fail. I truly hope people begin to pay attention to ways to prevent bites from happening.<br /><br />Just an aside, I was bit twice as a child, once by a golden retriever and once by a mini-poodle. The poodle came 1/4 inch from doing serious damage because it caught me in the eye. Any dog can bite and do damage.Karihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134604624337515797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-53781655235467208802013-07-19T09:44:22.599-07:002013-07-19T09:44:22.599-07:00How awful and tragic, both for this boy's fami...How awful and tragic, both for this boy's family and for this dog. I couldn't agree more that people need to take responsibility, in this case, the parents of this child who were not supervising as they should have been.<br /><br />We all have our thresholds (including dogs, ALL dogs) and it's so frustrating and unfortunate that this horrible accident is then seen as typical behaviour because this doggie happens to be a pit bull.<br /><br />My heart goes out to this boy's family, but it equally goes out to a breed that continues to be misunderstood.Safe Haven Hotelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822665216770995603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-9993793025164861192013-07-17T18:38:04.405-07:002013-07-17T18:38:04.405-07:00I never understand why people feel like dogs shoul...I never understand why people feel like dogs should have to put up with more than they would put up with themselves. When my kids start to play inappropriately with my animals (whether it's my "pit bull" type dog that I got from a shelter when she was 8 years old or the cats) I stop my child and ask him if he'd like to be treated that way. I say "would you like someone to get in your face/pick you up/play with your ears/whatever while you're sleeping/eating/whatevering? No? Well, then they probably don't appreciate it either". My dog is about as tolerant as a dog can be (definitely more tolerant than me) but there's no reason why she needs to put up with whatever they feel like doing (they're not malicious, just typical boys). On another note, the thing I ask my kids to do when they have disagreements is to "use their words"...well, dogs can't do that so they have their ways of letting us know when they've had enough. It's not their fault that much of the human population is too ignorant or unwilling to learn their language. I don't know the details of the accident leading to this little boy's tragic death, but it really sounds like it could have been avoided with a little bit more human knowledge, attention and intervention...which is probably true with most dog bite situations...especially the ones involving children.Lauranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-7039827008636989992013-06-30T19:46:55.857-07:002013-06-30T19:46:55.857-07:00Cheers almost all. Dianne, I'm not comfortable...Cheers almost all. Dianne, I'm not comfortable indicating that will residing in a backyard constitutes a puppy harmful. Specially as most with the puppies that come into our plan have never visited a home. Gava has not been with a sequence and looked properly adored and extremely acquainted with youngsters. Law enforcement called mtss is a 'tragic accident' and now we have a tendency to consent. <a href="http://www.mmomarkt.com/" rel="nofollow">Gold für Diablo 3 Kaufen</a><a href="http://www.joyrs.com/" rel="nofollow">Rs To Gold</a>cheap runescape goldhttp://www.joyrs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-21990325395219647042013-06-25T11:32:22.136-07:002013-06-25T11:32:22.136-07:00Any dog has the potential to react and snap if tri...Any dog has the potential to react and snap if triggered. I have a 12 year old black lab who I got as a puppy. He is my baby and my everything, has been raised around people - adults, children and the elderly - dogs, cats and horses. He is extremely well-socialized, sweeter than anything and on top of that his breed is well-known to be among the most gentle, fun loving, affectionate dogs and great with kids. Despite all this, he has his triggers just like any other dog, and since he is old his joints often hurt, making him cranky. He has growled at children before when they get in his face too much, and though he's never gotten to the point of biting someone (I've always been there to stop the interactions before they got too far), I would never leave him unsupervised with 7 kids - or any dog, for that matter. It's not about the breed; it's about a lack of parental supervision. Had an adult been around to see Gava's reactions to the rough housing, I'm sure the whole tragic situation could have been prevented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-702612331600304532013-06-23T14:27:55.589-07:002013-06-23T14:27:55.589-07:00I have been following the death of the six year ol...I have been following the death of the six year old that was bitten by his family's pitbull. There are many unanswered questionsm the big one being, WHERE were the supervising adults? Why were there so many children (9) of them rough housing with the pitbull? Did the boy also fall on his head when the pitbull didn't like being ridden like a horse? Did the young boy hit his head on the cement in addition to being bitten on the head? Why didn't the adults take him to the hospital emergency room asap instead of waiting? I think that there are a lot of human mistakes that could have been avoided. The pitbull if he was leashed and the young boy was riding him had no other recourse than to nip or bite him unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-9436205376275417022013-06-23T13:11:30.241-07:002013-06-23T13:11:30.241-07:00My family includes an American bull dog as well as...My family includes an American bull dog as well as 4 other breeds. I also have two sons 15 and 9. Both of my boys have been taught to respect any animal and its space. I do rescue and my children are involved as well and know to be aware of the animals comfort. Children should be taught very young what is appropriate behavior in the presence of an animal and NEVER without adult supervision! All animals have limitations regardless of breed and it is unfortunate that misguided humans blame the animal when it is the responsability of the human to protect and care for those we domesticate. The parents were negligent to the child and the dog. This could have and should have been avoided! Pray that this sad incident will inspire education and not ignorance!JoAnnahttp://www.resqac.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-38034729609830273262013-06-22T09:54:09.557-07:002013-06-22T09:54:09.557-07:00Anon 9:18
Thank you for your comment. Agreed that...Anon 9:18<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. Agreed that it's very important to stay sensitive when discussing tragic accidents in a public forum. <br /><br />This one does evoke strong emotions because, days after the event, the media's chosen sources and presumably the family too have decided that the dog's breed is to blame. It may be a long while before it's understood that even dogs that have been friendly can be set up to fail very badly, regardless of breed. The family has chosen to go public with a statement which you can watch in this news video.<br /><br />http://www.willitsnews.com/ci_23510096/union-city-mother-boy-fatally-mauled-says-dogDonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05881171300084907158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-81713430838115316402013-06-22T09:18:59.119-07:002013-06-22T09:18:59.119-07:00While this stories purpose is for education so thi...While this stories purpose is for education so this sad situation will not happen again and again, I am sadden when people jump onto their soap box . No one comes out ahead in this senerio. The death of a two legged or a four legged child is a tradgey all in it's own. People always want to put blame to something/someone. The people involved with this are going to endure heart break for the rest of their lives for both child and dog. Too easy for humans to judge when they don't know the entire story or haven't lived in that persons shoes. Let's keep this story so it will do the most good as far as educating people and not use as a soapbox for whichever position your trying to defend. It's hard to listen and learn when you're being attacked. Education is the key.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-83201015065080584462013-06-22T06:29:15.810-07:002013-06-22T06:29:15.810-07:00Thank you for that important clarification about r...Thank you for that important clarification about resident dogs, Karen. You're so right in that a dog living without the benefit of adult guidance is less likely to succeed under duress. Additionally, the dogs's owner reported in a recent update that the dog was purchased for protection, which hits another point in your definition for resident dog.<br /><br />Here is the hand-out that explains the definitions:<br /><br />http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Family_v_Resident[1].pdfDonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05881171300084907158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-42420454598711633272013-06-22T02:04:05.487-07:002013-06-22T02:04:05.487-07:00Great post BAD RAP! One thing I would like to cla...Great post BAD RAP! One thing I would like to clarify:<br />When Dianne correctly pointed out this was probably a resident dog-- this does not imply a dog is dangerous. It simply means that dogs maintained outside of the family unit usually have less tools and clues as how to behave appropriately at times of stress. <br />An example, when my dogs start to rough house and it gets a little intense they will often look to me, or come to me for reassurance or to intervene on their behalf. Resident dogs do not have this guidance or benefit. This does not mean they are more dangerous, just that they are denied the necessary guidance/protection of their owner.Karen Delisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-33894840874658435482013-06-21T21:48:49.871-07:002013-06-21T21:48:49.871-07:00My heart breaks for this family.I am in no way poi...My heart breaks for this family.I am in no way pointing fingers, however my feeling is dog's need love and attention and need to be treated as family members if you expect them to show love. A dog who for 2 years was never allowed in the home to interact with the family cannot be expected to love and be as tolerant as a dog who is part of the family. The yard was this dogs home and territory, we don't know the exact situation but i feel an adult should have been outside. And i think the dog would have been kinder and more tolerant if he was treated as a family member. I have had my pit for 12 years and he is a best friend to all children who visit our home.. He has been a family member with access to the yard,home,car and i think that makes a huge difference..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-39212371542328753822013-06-21T19:38:48.750-07:002013-06-21T19:38:48.750-07:00Animal have a fight of flight instinct, that poor ...Animal have a fight of flight instinct, that poor dog was put in to an area that he tolerated very well until the child tried to ride him. a child is far to heavy to ride a dog, and he may have tried to warn the child, more than once with no luck. Now let me ask you to put your self in the dogs position you have a you have been rough housed with all day, pulled and poked at your now tired and hurting some you just want to be left a lone. Now one person who out weighs you climbs on your back, and wants to rodeo if ... your going to snap and do anything to get the indivual off your back and stop the pain you would snap also! so why do you expect a dog to stand by and endure the pain and suffering that can cause permeate damage to his back, the adult is at blame for not giving the dog a safe place for a time out not the dog, he was defending his self that is all you can not take away the natural instinct from animal and that includes man! But now the dog suffer and is destroyed! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-79776094784007463222013-06-21T18:59:38.763-07:002013-06-21T18:59:38.763-07:00My daughter has a little pit and she all so has a ...My daughter has a little pit and she all so has a 18 month old son that climbs on her and does anything to her she is a great dog , She will lay beside his bed and not let any one in , she will growl if anyone comes in , when the baby cries she is the first one there ,I fill sorry for the family that lost there little boy , but people writing nasty things on here about pits , it's all about how you train them . Because this little pit has never been nasty to this little boy and will always be there to protect him Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-66597779848810222832013-06-21T18:50:16.275-07:002013-06-21T18:50:16.275-07:00My deepest condolences to the family. I'm not ...My deepest condolences to the family. I'm not going to put blame on either party in this sspecific case, but speak honestly about all situations. Any dog of any breed can be an amazing animal. It is all on how they are raised and the blood lines they come from. Despite the bite pressure or size of the dog or child, no animal that hasn't been properly socialized and trained should be left with people no matter what their age, and vice versa. I personally have 3 k9z who are a part of my family of 6 including 4children under 11. As I write this 2 are curled up beside me in my chair while the 3rd sleeps at my feet. People need to not only train their animals but their children, family and friends as well. My k9z are not allowed to be pet until they are in a sit stay and if a human attempts to pat before said dog is in position, I explain to them when it's ok. My children do not pet dogs either until the owner has been politely asked and given the ok to do so. The breeds need to stop being labelled but unfortunately until the blood lines can be purified there is no way to stop the cycleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-24328701404905355522013-06-21T18:09:10.008-07:002013-06-21T18:09:10.008-07:00Amen! Someone WhoKnows About The "Pit Bull&qu...Amen! Someone WhoKnows About The "Pit Bull" Breed And It'sGeneralization Of All Bully Breeds. I've Had Many Breeds Before I Had My 2 "Pit Bulls"And My Border Collies Bit 2 TimeS When I Had Someone Dog Sitting Them Becaus They Didn't Know Her Triggers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-40201684010439191312013-06-21T17:31:19.435-07:002013-06-21T17:31:19.435-07:00Years ago my beloved Westie nearly tore my ear off...Years ago my beloved Westie nearly tore my ear off because I leaned over him while he was asleep and startled him. I had to have 8 stitches to re-attach. Never would have believed it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-69929233931633605312013-06-21T17:16:36.484-07:002013-06-21T17:16:36.484-07:00there are two other breeds of dogs who's bite ...there are two other breeds of dogs who's bite is twice the amount as any bully breed that is a load of crap that the dogs bite pressure was the result of child's death...it was plain and simple parent neglect children playing out side with no supervision is stupid to begin with add any dog who us unfamiliar with kids is plain idiocy. ..then to not take child to hospital to make sure is insanity!!! shame on the parents for not teaching the children about rules and safety around dogs and shame on them for leaving a child with disability unattended.and as a mother with a child with a disability you never leave them unattendedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-44956751904968956202013-06-21T17:06:35.918-07:002013-06-21T17:06:35.918-07:00As much as I feel sorrow for the family, and I do ...As much as I feel sorrow for the family, and I do for the loss of their son's life.<br /><br />People need to realize a dog is not a toy. Children need to be supervised at all times and ultimately the dog ends up with death.<br /><br />Again, I am very sorry for the death of an innocent child, but so very sad that this happened in the first place.renebesettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03447583382681116677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-17475724861444878012013-06-21T16:40:10.997-07:002013-06-21T16:40:10.997-07:00Donna, I am always impressed with your thoughtful ...Donna, I am always impressed with your thoughtful and controlled posts/responses. Goodness knows I have a hard time not taking personal offense when the media talks about all pit bulls, which includes my perfect gentleman, in such a negative and uninformed manner. Thank you for investigating this unfortunate event and presenting some sound information to the community regarding this.KBCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-65534147040705205452013-06-21T16:36:24.201-07:002013-06-21T16:36:24.201-07:00One more item: Comments in the queue that include ...One more item: Comments in the queue that include personal attacks are deleted pronto. There's an art to disagreeing with someone without resorting to insults, -- and it's an art worth pursuing. Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05881171300084907158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-77631618683859639062013-06-21T16:31:21.524-07:002013-06-21T16:31:21.524-07:00Anon 4:05
Bite force comparisons get kookie since...Anon 4:05<br /><br />Bite force comparisons get kookie since each of the breeds that have been tested come in a wide range of weights and sizes. APBTs for example can run between 25-70lbs, so who's to say what a pit bull's so-called 'bite force' is? <br /><br />Since we expect this topic will service again, it would help to reference your sources including links to studies when discussing. True science beats hearsay any day. :-)Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05881171300084907158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009181.post-42963981638273037462013-06-21T16:16:07.144-07:002013-06-21T16:16:07.144-07:00It's not about the breed about it's about ...It's not about the breed about it's about responsible dog ownership!! The media doesn't report all the dog bites from labs or golden retrievers and it's not right! The mean dog on our street is a golden retriever that has attacked 2 members of my family and many other people! Responsible dog ownership is where the problem lies not the breed. Don't use your dogs as a baby sitter!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com